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Poster: Skobud Date: Oct 14, 2010 8:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Gregg Allman story (non dead)

I had a conversation yesterday with a machinist in the plant I work at about Gregg Allman. He told me a story I had never heard before. He said that in 1976 him and all his friends at the time swore off the Allman Brothers because Gregg was a snitch. He was unable to recall all of the details, but he said he has never listened to them since…He was absolutely emphatic about this. This surprised me because I had never heard the story.

I looked it up last night and found out that Gregg did testify against his long time road manager, John “Scooter” Herring, in a Macon, Ga drug trial for the Feds. Herring got 75 years because of Gregg’s testimony, and Gregg got no time at all because he cooperated…The band broke up and vowed to never work with him again. This was obviously big news at the time and I had never heard about it before.

I have loved The Allmans since I can even remember, and im not sure what I think of this. I guess Herring was also one of the people that saved his life when he OD’d a few years prior to this as well. I guess I’m just looking for comments on this or if anyone remembers or can shed any more light on this story. I was surprised to say the least. It must have been huge news at the time in the music world. Am I the only one who never heard this before?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 14, 2010 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gregg Allman story (non dead)

Never heard this one before.

"After the conclusion of counsel's opening statements, the government presented its case-in-chief, which consumed only two days of the trial. The lengthiest testimony came from the first witness, Joe Fuchs. Fuchs was an ex-pharmacist and an alleged co-conspirator in connection with much of Herring's drug activity.8 Aside from Fuchs, Gregg Allman testified most lengthily.

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Allman took the stand on the afternoon of the first day of trial, June 23.9 He testified for the remainder of that day and for a portion of the next. On direct examination, Allman told of meeting Herring in a Macon bar in 1973 and the subsequent development of a mutual friendship. Allman testified that in late 1973 or early 1974, Herring sold him some pharmaceutical cocaine and some Demerol. This was the first drug transaction between Allman and Herring, and it instituted a pattern of activity which continued throughout 1974. Allman stated that he later came to know the pharmacist, Fuchs, as Herring's supplier and that on occasion Allman would deal directly with Fuchs. Usually Allman would place a drug order with either Fuchs or Herring and would pay Herring upon delivery. This arrangement existed until the latter part of 1974, when Herring told Allman that government drug inspectors were "really on" Fuchs.

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Obviously, Allman's testimony was extremely damaging to the defense. Understandably enough, defense counsel's cross-examination of Allman was both lengthy and detailed, and the attack on Allman's credibility was forceful. The defense employed several devices to impeach Allman's testimony, including certain statements made during Allman's grand jury appearance and his admitted use of drugs during the period covered by his direct testimony. Additionally, the defense focused heavily on the direct connection between Allman and Fuchs, and on Allman's admissions that the defendant Herring had actually attempted in 1974 to persuade him to stop using drugs.

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A brief redirect examination followed this cross-examination, and Allman then stepped down from the stand sometime during the morning of June 24, the second day of the trial. The government called several additional witnesses and rested its case-in-chief at the end of the day. Up to this point, the trial had proceeded relatively smoothly.

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On June 25, however, an unfortunate series of events occurred. On the morning of that day, Macon's leading daily newspaper, the Macon Telegraph, carried a front-page story on Allman under a banner headline that read "ALLMAN UNDER HEAVY GUARD" and bore a subtitle reading "Death Threats Reported." Macon Telegraph, June 25, 1976, at 1A. In the middle of the front page, above the crease, was a photograph of Allman being escorted by several official-looking gentlemen; this photograph was captioned "Gregg Allman with Federal Bodyguards in Bibb Courthouse." Id. The lead story under the headline began as follows: "Threats against the life of Macon rock superstar Gregg Allman have prompted federal officials to shield the key witness from danger by ordering four U.S. Marshals to give him 'protective custody' around the clock." Id. The story went on to report that federal officials had confirmed that Allman had received threats on his life and that "stiff security measures" were in force at the Macon federal courthouse, where Herring's trial was in progress. Id. At one point the newspaper quoted the district judge presiding over Herring's trial as stating that the security measures had been ordered "out of an overabundance of precaution." Id."

And From People Magazine in 1976 about him and Cher:

The biggest downer for Gregg and Cher is that they're taking the rap for busting up Betts and the other boys in the band. It was tough enough when their deep-fried fans knocked Cher as the disruptive Yoko Ono/Linda Eastman of the Allman Brothers. But now Gregg is being bad-mouthed as a stool pigeon after testifying in return for immunity in the case of his good buddy, road manager and conduit, Scooter Herring. Scooter reportedly once saved Gregg's life from an overdose with mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. After Herring pulled a 75-year sentence (pending judicial review) for supplying Allman with a half gram of cocaine daily, Gregg became a pariah in Macon and is said to have received several death threats. Even the federal judge fumed that "the person who ought to be prosecuted is Mr. Allman."

As Gregg now explains for the first time, his grand jury testimony came under threat of his own imprisonment. "Man, it was heavy in there," he recalls. "If I had refused to say anything, they were going to make me do a couple of years." He says defensively that Scooter told him not to sweat it ("They won't be able to touch me") and that he only "corroborated" testimony about Herring given by others. "All the time they had been questioning other people until they finally had enough on him." At Herring's trial, Allman had to repeat his damaging testimony or face perjury charges. Yet Gregg continues to insist, however implausibly, that "Scooter was one of my best, closest, dearest friends, and he still is."
As for the future of the Allmans (of which he is the sole surviving brother), Gregg seethes that "the band was gone long before this whole trial thing hit." Gregg refused to cut a new LP after the group's latest tour ended last winter. The tour was supposed to gross $15 to $18 million, but "all we had left among us was $100,000," he claims. "Everybody was writing checks, and nobody knew where the money was. After the audit is over, we're really going to find out what broke up the Allman Brothers Band." The other musicians, however, are more suspicious of Gregg and his L.A. lawyers. "He really hurt everybody when he did that to Scooter," says bassist Lamar Williams, who with two other band members split to form Sea Level. "I still love the cat, but I could never work with him again."

All the Allman bandsmen agree that the group's disintegration began last year when Gregg's marriage to Cher seemed to be falling apart amid his own struggle with drugs. Cher, magnanimously, blames herself for his wasted state. "A lot of it had to do with my work," she confesses. "Gregory would say, 'You're a great big star, but you're not that much fun to be around, because you're not around.' If he had come from Mars, our backgrounds couldn't have been more different."

Gregg elaborates, "It was my getting used to L.A. and her, and her getting used to me. I thought I didn't fit in. I filed for divorce because I was afraid it would come from her first." The weekend after Gregg's divorce action, Cher suffered through her second weekend session in an "est" course. ("It was really difficult to go into that room with 250 people after just being dumped.") What neither one knew was that Cher was pregnant. They began to make up in December, and when premature labor pains put her into a hospital in April, Gregg rushed to Honolulu to comfort her. They've been together ever since.


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Poster: sfdavis Date: Nov 19, 2012 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gregg Allman story (non dead)

Joe Fuchs never became an ex-pharmacist. He worked as a pharmacist up until a month before his passing in 1999. He revived Gregg two times according to him and three times according to Gregg as he (Gregg) told me. Midnight Riders was unauthorized and the title even contains the word "story." Gregg's own book is a memoir, which has very little accurate information if you read what he says about Daddy then compare it to his interview with Howard Stern. Gregg was not the only one under federal protection. My family was as well. You will get the most accurate information from Willie Perkins's book. The truth is out there, but you have to dig and speak to those who lived through it. You're not going to find it in books with the exception of Mr. Perkin's No Saints No Saviors. Even then there are only minor, yet very honest, details about the subject. Daddy stupidly tried to help someone who couldn't be helped at the time, got mixed up with some bad people, and he paid the price, and we continue to pay the price through incorrect information being published over and over again. It gets old after 37 years. But...people believe what they want to believe. I hope I've shed some light. There were two fall guys and Gregg was neither of them. Sadly, both died young, but he remains and had the opportunity to write an excellent book, but then, how accurate is My Cross to Bear going to be when the information was pulled from cassette recordings that began in the early 1980s, more than a decade before he found sobriety?

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Poster: kindofbird Date: Apr 18, 2013 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gregg Allman story (non dead)

@sfdavis - Very interesting... I would love to discuss this with you... Can you please let me know a good way to get in touch with you?

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Poster: bwinkennga Date: Jul 2, 2013 5:25pm
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I believe J. Fuchs at one time lived in a duplex on Ingleside that was directly behind the house I grew up in on Bonnie Drive. You could see the deck on the duplex from my back yard.

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Poster: sfdavis Date: Jul 4, 2013 1:13am
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. Do you still live in Macon?

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Poster: bwinkennga Date: Jul 3, 2013 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gregg Allman story (non dead)

No - in Kennesaw now, but my 90 year old dad still lives in the house we grew up in on Bonnie Dr.(a few blocks from H. Pharmacy (later Ingleside Pizza, which has since moved across the street). I visited him this past weekend. H. Pharmacy, Bill's Bookstore and Joyland were our frequent shopping places. All of our family scripts. were filled at H. Pharmacy. I know where the ABB guys lived because as kids (I was born in '59), we used to bother them at the Big House all the time. They were nice to us because one of us was the one and only granddaughter of Captain J.K of the Macon Police (who they knew well for some reason :)) and we were kind of like kid groupies. At the time, we were more interested in their motorcycles than their music. Later G.A. moved to Pinecrest Ave. - a block from our house - and I mowed his lawn because the people that lived there before he did used me and left my name. Saw him all the time, but some other guy usually paid me. $6 - at the time big bucks ! Your Dad was well thought of by the people in the area. H. Pharmacy was the only Pharmacy nearby at the time. It was ashamed that he was pulled into that mess so they could use him to get to who they were really after.

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Poster: sfdavis Date: Mar 22, 2015 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gregg Allman story (non dead)

@kindofbird: Please feel free to contact me at: suzfuchs@gmail.com
@bewinkenga: Daddy never had a place behind the drugstore. They always lived in the same house they built in 1967. Also, thank you for the kind words concerning Daddy! He truly wanted to help but was it was a misguided effort. Ingleside was a very special place for me during those early days, as it was for many. I loved it when IVP opened where his drugstore was. It brought back wonderful memories of ringing the cash register, etc. I think Daddy would have been truly honored at the number of people who came to his Celebration of Life. There were people outside. The wonderful thing about Macon was/is how we have been embraced as a family with kind statements such as your. Again, thank you!
@Kellye: I'm so glad we've met my newfound and dear friend!

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Poster: sfdavis Date: Jul 4, 2013 1:08am
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Ha!

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Poster: bwinkennga Date: Jul 3, 2013 4:01pm
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I worked at Baskin Robbins when I was 15 (most places you had to be 16). Did you know that Otis Redding used to go there. They said he loved the ice cream cakes. Ever ride the pink elephant at Joy Land? All of us ABB groupies played hundreds of softball games at the Murphy Park on Ingleside. When we got bored - that's usually when we cruised the B.H.. There used to be a back entrance. We went to Rosehill Cemetary pretty often too (not morbid - it's a cool place). I never met Jaimoe - always heard he was great - but met (more like saw several times) the rest of the guys including D.A. Your Dad had cause to be concerned about J. Hawk. He and the D.M. were the kind of guys that would do a J. Hoffa number on anybody that crossed them. I think they knew if anything ever happened prematurely to your dad, they'd be the first suspects in line. And as a matter of fact, we did end up going to Chi-Chesters some. By that time an Eckerds had opened by the K-mart on Riverside, so the small pharmacy was going by the wayside a bit. BTW, My name is Bruce W. and when you are at the Big House on Friday, tell Lisa Mc. that Bruce from Riverside said hello. Tell her that my brother and sister Chuck and Joy went to the B.H on Monday, but found out it wasn't open until Thursday and that they were bummed. They don't live in Macon anymore either.

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Poster: kellyeherring Date: Jan 22, 2015 9:23pm
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I am Scooter's daughter, and, like you, I agree that Willie Perkin's book is the most accurate. The others are a good read if you're looking for entertainment, not fact. Our fathers may not have been saints, but they also both brought Gregg back from death on more than one occasion. I guess that meant nothing to him. He even admitted that Scooter tried to get him off drugs. I understand about continuing to pay the price for incorrect information out there. I hope you and your family are doing well.

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Poster: sfdavis Date: Jan 23, 2015 4:17pm
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Thank you! I know your name, though I don't believe we've met. Your mother and I had volunteer shifts at the Big House together a few times. The part that is most infuriating to me is what he wrote in his "memoir." It is in direct contrast to his and my conversation in Nashville in 2002. He had a crystal clear memory at the time, even of me as a child, and I've been told by members of the former ABB to remember that he is going write what paints the best picture of him. It still hurts. We know the truth; the people of Macon involved at the time know the truths; it just infuriates me that the masses will believe every word they read like it's the gospel truth. Here are some truths: Daddy never served ten years in prison. He served two and a half in protective custody due to death threats and worked for the hospitals that served the prisons. Mama has never attended one show, he she states she still attends shows, and she would NEVER say what he quoted her as saying. Anyone who does a little fact checking would know in under five minutes that Daddy and Gregg knew each other. We share the same burden. Continuing to have to deal with the past, continuing to have to worry and protect our loved ones when more llies are published, and wondering when our fathers will be able to rest in peace. This information coming out inaccurately time after time throws my mother into such a state, and with GA not long for this world, we should get ready to deal with it all again. Our fathers both made mistakes. They both paid their debt to society and dealt with it every day until their passings. Kelley, thank you for your words. You and I, as well as many others know that our fathers, Joe Fuchs and Scooter Herring were good men with good intentions who got mixed up with a person who could not be helped. I hope you, your family and your mother are doing well!
Suzanne

P.S. I wish I didn't care so much about what is written, but I feel that would dishonor Daddy's name. I'm tired of being told I should write my own book. Who cares? I wish we would take the offer of one of many attorneys who have called over the years ready to sue, but all that would do is place it all in the limelight again, and that's not something we want our mother to have to experience again. I suspect you know exactly how I feel...It is indeed HIS Cross to Bear. He still has to face the "music" one day and stand before judgement.

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Poster: sfdavis Date: Apr 19, 2013 6:15am
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@kindofbird-
Can you provide me with an email address?

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Poster: Skobud Date: Oct 14, 2010 10:19am
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Great stuff there SDH, and it is exactly what I was wondering...Yesterday was the first time I had ever heard any of this...Some serious history there...I think Im gonna have to read up on these guys some more.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 14, 2010 10:34am
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I just love the Cher/Yoko comparison.

That and the reference to "the biggest downer". Sure do miss the 70's.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 14, 2010 10:52am
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"Sure do miss the 70s."


Sometimes I think I never left them.

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Poster: hasher Date: Oct 14, 2010 1:13pm
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I'd never heard any of this before. Thanks for posting.

75 years for half a gram of cocaine!?!?

WTF?

I say get this guy out of prison now if he's not already.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 14, 2010 3:30pm
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"Scooter" was convicted of a great deal more than possession of a half gram of cocaine. He ended up serving only 30 months in prison and died of natural causes in 2007.

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Poster: hasher Date: Oct 14, 2010 8:03pm
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""Scooter" was convicted of a great deal more than possession of a half gram of cocaine. He ended up serving only 30 months in prison and died of natural causes in 2007."

I see. I must have misread something. Thanks for the info.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Oct 14, 2010 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gregg Allman story (non dead)--- spaghetti dinner with the Carters

I think about this every time I see the band now, I quit going to see them myself for a good 15 years before I got invited to a Rocks show in the early 90's.

I thought it was one of the lowest points of rock and roll.

I just scanned the article in People, did they go into the passing out in his spaghetti at the White House when he and Cher were invited to dinner by Jimmy Carter? I heard it was reds he passed out on. Wonder if he washed em down with Billy Beer?

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Poster: sfdavis Date: Nov 19, 2012 9:19pm
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He did not pass out at the White House while having dinner with Jimmy Carter. That took place at a restaurant in Macon, and it was into a plate of spaghetti.

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: Oct 14, 2010 11:16am
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There is a good book "Midnight Riders" that details the story pretty well. It has been a few years since I read it, but I seem to remember that Gregg either purchased or had a financial interest in the drug store that "provided" him with drugs.

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Poster: sfdavis Date: Nov 19, 2012 8:56pm
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Midnight Riders is an interesting read and does have court records. However, Freeman does an excellent job in taking truths, partial truths, and outright lies and twisting them all together to make for an exciting read. Gregg never owned nor had any partial ownership in my father's pharmacy. I suggest reading Willie Perkins's book. There are only a few details on the subject, but they are accurate unlike information I've read in any other books including Gregg's. I make no excuses for my father's actions. He did what he did (not a very bright thing), but there were good intentions at the root of it. He got mixed up with the wrong crowd and paid the price. If you have respectful questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them. I will not comment to things like "why don't you write your own book if you know so much...." I feel no need for something as ludicrous as that; however, if I can shed some light on questions I will. I lived through it all as well. Daddy passed in 1999, and inaccurate information continues to be published and that isn't going to stop. Maybe through posts like these, I can help right some of the wrongs. Not of what he did, but of what has been published.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Oct 14, 2010 11:26am
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just to add my 2 cents to this ,I also believe that their
tour manager was also involved. I think his name is Doc Magee who also went on to manage Skid Row and others. His bust involved a major weed deal.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 14, 2010 8:34am
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Heard the "story" but did not know the specifics. Ironic that he was cast in a drug movie with no acting experience(Rush, I think was the title) where he was a dealer

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Oct 15, 2010 12:10am
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I lived in the South then and when Gregg did that even his own band disowned him. A bunch of them left him to form Sealevel, and Dickie went his own way too.
Scooter got sentenced to something like 75 years based on Gregg's testimony. He was also Gregg's connection. A totally shameful episode that Gregg has somehow managed to outlive. I continue to love the band.

Another story you may also not have heard:
Years earlier in 1970 ABB road manager Twiggs Lyndon was arrested for murder after stabbing a promoter to death for failing to pay the band.

Here is a link to an interesting summary of strange ABB stories:
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Allman-Brothers-Band-Funny-Trivias
Quite a difference between bassist Berry Oakley's trial testimony during a first degree murder case in 1970 and Gregg's in 1976 concerning different members of the band's crew and management.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 15, 2010 5:17am
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Scooter's conviction was overturned on appeal. He eventually copped a plea and was re-sentenced to five years, but ended up serving only 30 months.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Oct 15, 2010 6:47am
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Yes, another crazy fact...4/29/70 - Twiggs London was arrested for killing Angelo Aliotta, the owner of Aliotta's Lounge here in Buffalo. London stabbed Aliotta 3 times in the chest when he refused to pay because the band was 15 minutes late. London got off by pleading temporary insanity, because touring with The Allman Brothers was enough to drive anyone insane....That defense seems ridiculous but it was what worked and it did happen.

I have a contact at Buffalo State College I may have to get in touch with to see what the papers wrote about this. It keeps on getiing better and better.....

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Poster: RollingThunder Date: Oct 15, 2010 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gregg Allman story (non dead)- Lets Go Buffalo!

Incredible story about Aliotta's Lounge. I've been doing some research on Buffalo concerts and a couple weeks ago I came across a site stating the Allman's played there on that date, but I haven't been able to find anything else.

Thanks for the story, Sko. I really enjoyed the Grateful Dead 1970 links your provided earlier!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 14, 2010 3:14pm
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I have had several personal experiences with Greg and have concluded each time that Mr. Allman is nothing but an asshole.